"INFORMATION"

"INFORMATION"

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 27. Dez 2010, 15:30

Hello again. I am not sure if this is the correct category for this piece of Mail as i have no idea of the history of it, could any member please give me the flight history i enclose pictures.
Thanks again
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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon saintex » 27. Dez 2010, 21:59

Hallo Talltrees,

I think I can help you with the story behind your cover, however, to sum the story up I need a better scan of the back of the
cover. Especially I need a better scan of the Montevideo arrival c.d.s. on the back of the cover. It is crucial to know the di-
git after the first two digits "20" in the middle of the c.d.s. - is it a 3 , a 4 or 5 etc ?

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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 28. Dez 2010, 00:16

Hello saintex. Thank you for your cooperation. I have shown a close up of the arrival c.d.s i hope this helps you.
Thanks again
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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 28. Dez 2010, 10:00

Waiting for the explanation by saintex, but I think we can move this thread from SCHLEUDERFLUGPOST SÜDATLANTIK to AIR FRANCE.....
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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon saintex » 28. Dez 2010, 10:50

Hallo Zeppelin,

you are absolutely right. The South Atlantic crossing was by Air France flying boat Santos Dumont. I shall comment on
Talltrees' cover in detail tonight as at present I am in the office and do not want to enrage my boss risking to get the pink slip for sending private emails. I ask everybody for patience till then.

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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon saintex » 29. Dez 2010, 07:59

Hello Talltrees,

thanks for the close-up of the c.d.s. on the back of your cover which clearly reads "20-4.-XII.-35", i.e. 4th December 1935
8 P.M. Contrary to the routing instructions endorsed by the sender on the front of the cover your cover was not carried to Montevideo/Uruguay by Lufthansa but by the French carrier Air France. The starting point of the French service to South
America was Toulouse in the South of France. In 1935 the French service to South America was entirely by air only the 1st
and the 3rd week per month while during the other weeks the South Atlantic between Dakar/Senegal and Natal/Brazil was
crossed by fast mail boats(Avisos).

In 1935 the French service to South America during the 1st and 3rd week operated according to the following time schedule:

Sunday Toulouse 3.00 A.M. Departure
Sunday Casablanca 1.20 P.M.
Monday Dakar 3.40 A.M.
Monday Natal 7.40 P.M.
Tuesday Rio de J. 10.40 A.M.
Tuesday Buenos Aires 10.20 P.M. Arrival

Your cover was posted in Prien/Bavaria on 29th November 1935 which was a Friday. As there are no transit c.d.s on the
back of your cover I can only guess the routing of your cover within Germany and from Germany to France. We know,
however, from the routing instructions stated in the airmail list (Luftpostliste ) for October/November 1935 that the
closing hour for German airmail destined for the French South America service in Berlin and Stuttgart respectively was
Saturday 9.00 and 9.45 A.M. My guess is that your cover went by surface means from Prien via Munich to Stuttgart where
it arrived Saturday 30th November and from there onward air transmission either via Paris or Marseille so it reached the
French airmail service leaving Toulouse on Sunday 1st December 1935 in time.

The Dakar-Natal crossing on 2nd December 1935 was carried out by the flying boat Bleriot 5190 "Santos Dumont"
http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Bleriot5190.php

According to the Montevideo arrival c.d.s. on the back of your cover the French service of 1st December 1935 for unknown reasons was one day behind schedule.

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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 29. Dez 2010, 08:59

excellent analysis - thanks Wolfgang!
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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 29. Dez 2010, 13:26

Hello again saintex. Thank you also for your very detailed information of the flight schedule of this flight, i can now copy the details for my reference. I hope you don't mind but i have got One more Cover which again i have no idea of the flight route i enclose pictures and would appericiate your help.
Thanks again
Is this the route that this Cover took ? (Sorry i may be in the wrong category)
The DLH South Atlantic route was Stuttgart (Frankfurt beginning April 1936) – Marseilles – Seville (later Lisbon due to the Spanish Civil War) – Las Palmas – Bathurst – Natal. In South America, the airmail was flown by Condor to Rio de Janeiro, Montevideo (Uruguay), Buenos Aires (Argentina) and Santiago (Chile)(beginning October 1935). Other routes serviced Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru and later Ecuador and beyond
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Re: "INFORMATION"

Beitragvon saintex » 29. Dez 2010, 17:37

Hello Talltrees,

I concur with your analysis of the routing of your cover in every respect. I've got only one minor amendment. To my
knowledge there was no service by Lufthansa and/or Condor to and from Paraguay prior to WW II.

References:

Rudolf Philipp, Flughafen Stuttgart-Böblingen, Kornwestheim 1987 p. 165
James W. Graue/John Duggan, Deutsche Lufthansa South Atlantic Airmail Service 1934-1939, Ickenham/UK 2000
p.162
R.E.G. Davies, Airlines of Latin America since 1919, Washington D.C. 1984 pp.507-512

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