"5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

"5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 26. Aug 2010, 14:18

Hello again. Could any member confirm that this cover was flown on the " 5. S.A.F " 1936 (OF THE LZ 127) the reason that i am asking this is that this flight departed on "24.JUNE. 1936" (FRANKFURT am MAIN to RECIFE), but the two "BAHNPOSTAMT 19" Postmarks on the cover show the date of " 25. 6. 36 " the day after the flight had taken off ?. i enclose pictures of the cover and await any members responce.
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon Alfred » 31. Aug 2010, 20:39

Hello TALLTREES !
I would like to help you, but – as you maybe know it already – I’m not specialised in Zeppelinmail after 1930. To say it frankly: I don’t like the Nazi-emblem on the airships …
It’s a fact, that your letter reached Frankfurt too late to catch “Graf Zeppelin” – it started at June 24 in the evening. (I don’t think, that the stamp-date is wrong).
A second fact: I read an arrival-date from Rio de Janeiro (the “Districto Federal” belongs to the Brazilian capital) of 28. Jun. 1936 – that is one day earlier, than the airship arrived (at June 29, 9:26 a.m.).
A third fact: the Lufthansa-flight to Marseille, Sevilla, Las Palmas an Bathurst in Gambia didn’t start anymore from Stuttgart (Boeblingen) in June 1936, but like the airship from Frankfurt.
Not a certain fact, but highly supposable: your letter is not faked – a forger would choose a more expensive object.
What I don’t know, is, whether the Lufthansa-flight took place parallel to the airship (respectively one day later), or alternating in the weeks without airship-service.
If there was a weekly Lufthansa-service – what I suppose so, then your letter probably was dispatched by Lufthansa, catapult-flight and Condor-seaplane. That would mean, that this kind of service was faster than the airship-transport.
Probably @zeppelin knows more about the possibility, that your letter reached the airship at Marseille, where for several flights to Brazil postage was loaded to the airship.
I’m sure, you will get more exact information about your letter.
Greetings
Alfred
I found a page about the Lufthansa South-Atlantic-service.
http://transatlanticmailbyair.wordpress ... lufthansa/
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 31. Aug 2010, 23:34

Hello again Alfred. Good to hear from you again. Well we can positively agree that this Cover was not flown from Frankfurt Main by the "LZ 127" as the dates do not corresponde to the flight schedule of the LZ 127. As you suggested the other alternative is that it would have been flown by the Catapult service. So i assume that it would have been flown by "DLH" from Frankfurt Main via Marseille, (Barcelona ?), Sevilla, Las Palmas and Bathurst to Natal, from Natal Condor took over the mail to fly via Recife and Bahia to Rio and Buenos Aires. As the Backstamp shows the Rio arrival date of 28.6.36 One day before the arrival of the LZ 127 (29.6.36) due to the Condor service/not Zeppelin transportation. So this Cover could have made the whole trip by "DHL" / "Condor" and "NOT" by the LZ 127 :?: .
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 5. Sep 2010, 09:44

Alfred hat geschrieben:I found a page about the Lufthansa South-Atlantic-service.
http://transatlanticmailbyair.wordpress ... lufthansa/


Nice find Alfred, and thanks for sharing the link, have added it to the http://www.eZEP.de site (see at collections)
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 12. Sep 2010, 09:39

Hi TALLTREES,
this is how your cover came to South America:

24.6.36 8.52p.m. zeppelin LZ-127 GRAF ZEPPELIN departure from Frankfurt

25.6.36 2.00 a.m. your cover was dispatched at Frankfurt
25.6.36 5.00 a.m. DLH Lufthansa departure from Frankfurt, flight via Marseille to Seville, your cover was on board DLH plane
25.6.36 1.00 p.m. DLH delivered mail at Seville, mail was picked up by zeppelin LZ-127, your cover was now on board the zeppelin
28.6.36 1.43 a.m. zeppelin LZ-127 dropped the mail at Natal, Brazil, Condor flew the mail from Natal southwards, your cover was on board the Condor flight
28.6.36 3.00 p.m. Condor plane landed at Rio, mail was offloaded and postmarked at Rio arrival 28.6.36, delivery to addressee

29.6.36 9.26 a.m. zeppelin LZ-127 arrived ar Rio

So as you can see, your cover flew by both, zeppelin and DLH South Atlantic catapult service. And your cover was dispatched at place of origin after the zeppelin had departed and your cover arrived at the final destination before the zeppelin reached this place. A nice example of how the airmail system worked in those days. Interesting to note that this late mail which flew by zeppelin and DLH is not listed in Sieger (nor in Michel) - although the cover was dispatched by ..... H.E. Sieger..... :?
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 12. Sep 2010, 16:49

Hello again Zeppelin. Thank you very much for your very detailed information on how this Cover was dispatched, so can we assume that it is "SIEGER # 412. B)
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 4. Nov 2010, 11:50

No, it is Sieger # 353.B
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Re: "5. SOUTH AMERICA FLIGHT" LZ 127 1936

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 4. Nov 2010, 13:58

Thanks Zeppelin sorry i mixed up the wrong flight, i quoted the LZ 129 HINDENBERG trip (25.5.36) (412.B) :( instead of the LZ 127 GRAF ZEPPELIN flight (24.6.36) ( 353.B). :P
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