Icebreaker Malyguin crew member dispatches 27.7.31

Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 4. Mai 2011, 14:45

pasol hat geschrieben:1) I have not yet found a mail of this flight with initiall stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931.
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In this regard, the existence in the catalog Michel postage № 205 A. i), as it got aboard the icebreaker a stamp 27.07.1931 "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931 "seems unrealy.


Hello Pasol,

the cover you are looking for is illustrated in Fiorenzo Longhi's book CATALOGO STORICO DESCRITTIVO DEGLI AEROGRAMMI ZEPPELIN DI ITALIA - COLONIE ITALIANE - SAN MARINO - VATICANO - 1929 - 1939 on page 36, a letter written on board the icebreaker Malyguin by Malyguin crew member Umberto Nobile, the Russian zeppelin stamps are postmarked Malyguin 27.VII.31. For more information about this book see here: http://www.ezep.de/books/italianzep.html

And I illustrate here another Malyguin dispatch postmarked 27.VII.31, catalogue Michel 205.A.i, this here is a postcard with the same markings as the cover in Longhi's book. Longhis cover is registered 4003, this postcard here is registered 4006.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 4. Mai 2011, 20:59

Dear Zeppelin,
thank you very much for showing postcard. However, its authenticity makes me doubt.
Reasons include:
1. Arguments given by me in the post above.
2. Why is the registered letter (with higher number) postmarked on the icebreaker “Malygin” have another postmark 18.07.1931 (see my post above with registered letter number #4075).
3. Please to compare the stamp of arrival in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931.
first – from your shown postcard, two next from the original letters,see the difference:
a)another style of letter "s" in word "Friedrichshafen";
b)the second "e" in the word "Bodensee" less, instead of the same size.
However, the final decision is possible after a more attentive expertise of this post card.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 4. Mai 2011, 21:58

Let's continue.
4) postmark " Icebreaker “Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931".
a) in shown post card another place of letters "c" and "e" in word "Glace";
b) another size of "7" in the date "27.07.1931".
Please see picture below.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 4. Mai 2011, 22:51

5) This card supposedly written by Umberto Nobile, but it was not his handwriting. For comparison, I show a fragment of a letter written realy by Umberto Nobile.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 5. Mai 2011, 05:07

Dear friends,
Next facts:
6) The other style of "R" in registered stamp.
7) This registration post card does not match the russian postal mail requirements:
in particular, the location of labels "Air Mail" is incorrect (should be in one of the corners, often in the lower left).
8) Postage with near number#4000s was prepared in Archangelsk 18.07.1931 and has stamp with this date. Also it has necessarily guiding stamp, this card has not.

It is another registered letter from "Malygin" with number #4009, but the postmark is correct 18.07.1931 and other postal requirements are correct.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 5. Mai 2011, 09:06

Hello pasol. Does this Postcard help you in your thread ? i have shown it before in another thread, note the different Friedrichshafen arrival stamp 31.V11.31. 4-5 (am Bodensee).
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Icebreaker Malyguin crew member dispatches 27.7.31

Beitragvon pasol » 7. Mai 2011, 08:28

Hi TALLTREES,
thank you for your information. Yes, I know about this type of arrival stamp. In general, they used three types of arrival stamps in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931. Here they are all types:
1. In all types of postal items (common).
2. On a part of the Russian correspondence.
3. On the part of the airship's board mail with the date 30.07.1931 (and possibly also 31.07.1931)(rare).
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 22. Jul 2011, 05:49

@Zeppelin wrote: "...Longhis cover is registered 4003, this postcard here is registered 4006..."

Dear Zeppelin,
another argument against the authenticity of the envelope with Malygin's primary cancellation 27.07.1931, about which you wrote: all registered letters from numbers #3974 till the number #4009 were addressed to
Herrn Raymund Scheer
113 Schloss Str.
Berlin-Steglitz
Deutschland
not to Italy !!! Those covers have a standard form and were cancelled 18.07.1931.
I showed earlier the number #4009 (See above) , and now I show the number #3974 in the same address. The letters with those numbers (high) were sent within the batch to a one address. For example: the previous batch from number #3910 till number #3957 (approximately) was addressed to Moscow address of Mr. Karl Hennig (See above, my post and TALLREES post).
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Re: Icebreaker Malyguin crew member dispatches 27.7.31

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 22. Jul 2011, 11:34

pasol hat geschrieben:For example: the previous batch from number #3910 till number #3957 (approximately) was addressed to Moscow address of Mr. Karl Hennig (See above, my post and TALLREES post).
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Re: Icebreaker Malyguin crew member dispatches 27.7.31

Beitragvon pasol » 22. Jul 2011, 19:47

Dear Zeppelin,
thank you very much for separating this thread and thanks too for showing this card.
At first it is necessary to check this card: has it the arrival stamp of Amsterdam (on back side)? These mails were sent after Friedrichshafen to the consignee by usual way (not in special packages). If the stamp of arrival there is not, it is necessary to further research its authenticity.
In addition, I specifically wrote that it is approximately information and it requires the further research. It is likely that the batch to Mr. K.Hennig was less, and consisted of several batchs, for example: mails to Mr.R.Scheer were the another batch with registered numbered about #3872.
It is also possible, that this card has the poorly recognized or modified registered number.
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