Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 1. Jan 2015, 17:38

Hello. May i add that what was the correct postal charge for mail from Budapest :? . I have a Postcard Hungarian mail, Budapest dispatch to Ice Breaker Malygin franked 3 Pengö, so i assume as far as Leningrad would be 2 Pengö (Postcard) (Cover 4 Pengö) :?: , as Toromeer's Cover (i assume) is franked with 4 Pengö, i assume this would be sufficient as far as Leningrad, maybe this Cover was underfranked for the trip to the Malygin, the reason why the "FRANZ-JOSEF-LAND"routing instructions was crossed out, and so dropped at Leningrad? I can show a Postcard (Not mine) addressed to the same person "MR.G.W.BARTLETT" sent from Budapest to Leningrad with arrival stamp franked with 2 Pengö.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 1. Jan 2015, 18:01

Dear TALLTREES,

you are right, a hungarian postal charge for letters in this flight was 4 P till Leningrad and 8 P till the Malygin (and also for full round flight) and 2 P and 4 P for postcards, therefore franking is sufficient for full round flight.
But this postcard has not arrival stamp of Leningrad 25.07.1931 and second arrival stamp of Berlin 30.07.1931, both are missing as John Duggan thought?
I can show additionally the two rare incoming lines covers of full round Polar Flight 1931 (Danzig and Niederlande, both Mi.#205.b) for compears, which are known to me. Both have 2 arrival stamps of Berlin 25.07.1931.4-5.STAAKEN and 30.07.1931.19-20.ZENTRALFLUGHAFEN.

This thread was discussed:
http://www.ezeptalk.de/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=198
@Zeppelin explained it ;)
@Zeppelin wrote: "...But by that time some collectors had sent in their zepelin mail already and this was inscribed with the round trip instruction Friedrichshafen - Malyguin - Friedrichshafen (or Berlin - Malyguin - Berlin). Although with the instruction to be flown on the round trip, but most of the mail was routed then on alternative routes as far as Leningrad or Malyguin only. Somehow, a few pieces slipped through and were flown on the round trip..."

Kann er seine Meinung nochmal zu äußern :?:

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 2. Jan 2015, 09:46

Dear friends,

this hungarian postcard (Mi.#205.b) made a really full round Polar Flight 1931 Berlin-Berlin (for comparison). :D

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon toroemer » 2. Jan 2015, 12:00

Hallo pasol,
vielen Dank, ich habe mir die Diskussion mal angesehen. Es kann schon sein, dass der Berlin-Stempel in zweierlei Hinsicht verwendet wurde.

Trotzdem spricht bei meiner Karte gegen einen Flug "Friedrichshafen - Berlin":

- der fehlende Stempel Friedrichshafen. Wieso sollte diese Karte in Friedrichshafen gewesen sein ?
- die Überfrankierung mit 4 Pengö
- die Aufschrift " Ab Berlin .."


Viele Grüße und ein frohes neues Jahr

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 2. Jan 2015, 12:20

Lieber Torsten,

ich dachte nochmal über Ihre Fragen...und kann sagen:

1) ich weiß nicht, alle Antworten!
2) ich äußerte nur meine Meinung;
3) noch mögliche Varianten:
a) Ihre Karte bis Leningrad gelaufen wurde, aber es hat kein Ankunftstempel;
b) Ihre Karte in Berlin vergessen wurde, und nach Leningrad nicht gesendet;
c) Herr John Duggan ist korrekt;
d) etc.


...wählen, was zu Ihnen passt :!: :D

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon toroemer » 2. Jan 2015, 15:12

Hallo pasol,

Sie haben wahrscheinlich Recht. Man kann das heute anhand der vorliegenden Karte nicht mehr klären.

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 9. Jan 2015, 12:57

Dear friends,

I found in eBay a dangerous fakes of russian stamps for Polarfahrt 1931 in perforate and imperforate variants. There are the full fakes: stamps and cancellation. :evil:
distinctive features:
1) the letters of the inscriptions are not geometrically perfect (to left it is fake and to right it is genuine);
2) used fake round cancellation "СССР. Кривой - Рог лагеря" has a date "21.6.1931" . This type of date stamp began to be used only since the 40s and not used in 1931!
Perhaps, it's a genuine postal stamp, but from 40s and it was taken during the WWII or later :?: You can see below the difference between a types of soviet dated stamps in 30s and 40s (in 30s: no star and inscription "CCCP" above, but name of city is above).
3) It's too earlier date for these stamps. Only official "Samples/PROJECTS" have been approved by Soviet postal authorities only 24.6.1931. :lol:
Please be careful!

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 10. Jan 2015, 14:48

Dear friends,

now additionally I can show the rarest incoming lines cover of full round Polar Flight 1931 Liechtenstein (Mi.#205.a, it isn't in catalog) :shock: , which is known to me.
It has an arrival stamps of Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931 and Berlin 30.07.1931.19-20.ZENTRALFLUGHAFEN.

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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 10. Jun 2015, 16:30

Hello. Continuing with this Postcard from my collection ;) . Sent by the well known crew member Kurt Schönherr on the " Leningrad - Mail Handover Malygin leg of this flight" (Flight No 204), Registered Postcard No 3273, addressed to the Post inspector at Osnabrück who was a regular receiver of mail from Kurt Schönherr, with an Osnabrück arrival stamp dated 27.8.31 - 4-5, and as Kurt Schönherr was the Postmaster he added another BSt on the picture side of the Postcard ;)
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 10. Jun 2015, 18:08

Dear TALLTREES,

@pasol wrote:"...it is well known that the crew members of LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin" sent themselves a lot of correspondence during Polarfahrt 1931. Almost all of it is sent with the German franking. But a small part of such correspondence has a Russian franking. The crew members had the opportunity to send themselves (but not on their behalf! ) such correspondence during route only from Leningrad July 25th, 1931..."

... :D

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