Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 30. Apr 2011, 19:16

Dear friends,
I would like to open new discussion about the organization of mail process during the Polar flight/Polarfahrt LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin" in 1931. Unfortunately, my point of view is not confirmed by post official documents but it is based on a large number ( more than 1000 letters and cards) of this flight which I have ever seen.
To begin with I have got several facts:
1) I have not yet found a mail of this flight with initiall stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931.
2) This stamp has only postage delivered by airship LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin" and transferred aboard the icebreaker "Malygin" 27.07.1931 during a one-time! exchange of mail, as delivered on board the airship from Germany, and other loaded further 25.07.1931 in Leningrad (see Pic.# 1 and 2).
3) Russian and foreign postage, remaining on the airship, and delivered in Berlin 30.07.1931 and in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931, have arrival stamp but are not stamped "Icebreaker Malygin 27.07.1931. Arctic (See Pic.# 3 and 4).
4) Russian postage delivered before the meeting of 27.07.1931 icebreaker "Malygin" and referred to the airship, and delivered in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931, have only stamp "Icebreaker Malygin 18.07.1931. Arctic (see Pic.# 5).

Under these facts, I conclude that the stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. 27.07.1931 Arctic " has made more later (in August). And on board the icebreaker "Malygin "during a meeting with the airship 27.07.1931 it is not applied. In addition, it is obvious that in order to repay approximately 50,000 letters and cards were sent by the airship, it is required considerable time, the postal staff and the relevant conditions, which were not enought.
Therefore, it is unlikely that it produced beforehand and it was taken aboard the icebreaker "Malygin" when sailing from Archangelsk 18.07.1931, as the exact date of the meeting was not known beforehand . But perhaps it was brought by the airship from Leningrad 27.07.1931. Then would many mailings, which did not leave the airship until Berlin 30.07.1931 and Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931 would have it, so it's not truth.
I therefore conclude that the stamp was applied to postage, much later after a meeting of an airship with an icebreaker 27.07.1931. Customers Intourist for which it was chartered icebreaker, didn't mention the gigantic work of personnel for extinguishing such a large number of letters on the board. Just Postmaster Papanin, the future famous Soviet polar explorer, does not mention it. Therefore, the most obvious is an option when this stamp was made after the arrival of the icebreaker "Malygin" in Arkhangelsk 20.08.1931, ie already on the ground. By the way, quenching of a large number of letters required a significant time. This explains the month delay in receiving their final destination, even in the USSR (see Pic.# 6 and 7).
Thus, the presence or absence of the stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931 "to confirm the participation of this correspondence in the mail exchange between the LZ-127" Graf Zeppelin "and the icebreaker" Malygin "27.07.1931 in Tikhaya bay on Hooker Island (Franz Josef Land) is secondary. Does not disprove it, but does not prove such involvement. Since this stamp was applied only to the part! letters, in another place and after that date.
In this regard, the existence in the catalog Michel postage № 205 A. i), as it got aboard the icebreaker a stamp 27.07.1931 "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931 "seems unrealy. In fact, such letters are repaid with the same stamp as an icebreaker at the sailing from Archangelsk 18.07.1931 (not 27.07.1931! ), but these letters have perforated special Russian stamps and without guiding stamp type II (mentioned about 18 copies of such letters and cards) (see Pic.# 8 ). They were then transferred to the airship, together with letters, which were loaded on an icebreaker in Arkhangelsk, but have imperforated special Soviet stamps, and futher transported in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931. Interestingly, they are not unloaded on the way back, although some part of mail was droped 29.07.1931 over Leningrad, even for recipients in the USSR. Unlike letters to the remaining "Malygin", the recipient will receive them without delay: in early August (see Pic.9). Such letters have not stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931 ".
I consider this material as a discussion and I will be grateful for comments and clarification.
Best regards,
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Re: Organization of mailings during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 30. Apr 2011, 20:19

Supplement 1 to the pictures
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Re: Organization of mailings during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 30. Apr 2011, 20:21

Supplement 2 to the pictures,
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 1. Mai 2011, 06:17

Dear friends,
More about this thema. It is a description of the mail exchange by postmaster I.Papanin:
When the airship LZ-127 in the evening began to fall on the sea surface of the Tikhaya bay, on the "Malygin" everything was ready for the exchange of mail. Immediately after landing, "Zeppelin" in a icebreaker's motor boat, already loaded with sacks of mail, got a few people. Among them were I.Papanin, U.Nobile and American airman L.Ellsworth. Beating the ice, the boat approached the nacelle. One-time mail exchange took about 15 minutes. From the "Graf Zeppelin" was accepted about 50,000 mail items about 300 kg (weight) , and with "Malygin" put on the airship about 14,000 mail items about 120 kg.
Read the information also on Dan Grossman's site (Atlanta, Georgia, USA):
http://www.airships.net/lz127-graf-zeppelin/polar-flight
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 7. Mai 2011, 11:32

Hello again pasol. Here is another piece of mail which contributes to your thread. Addressed to crew member Heindrich Kubis (Head Steward), onboard stationary and onboard mail "27. 7. 31" posted on the day of the transfer of the mail to the icebreaker "MALYGUIN", for some reason this Cover did not receive a Friedrichshafen Backstamp :?: . Another fact on a close up of the "MALYGUIN" postmark the "3" in the year date (31) is higher up than the rest of the numbers and letters on the postmark :?: .
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 10. Mai 2011, 12:52

Hello pasol. Here is another Cover i have seen on a online auction. This Cover has a "LENINGRAD" confirmation arrival mark with the date " 25 - 8 - 31" :?:
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 19. Jul 2011, 06:21

Hello friends,

for the 80th Anniversary of Polarfahrt 1931 please see short film about these events:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVP2pZX2yGo#t=3m4s
and especially the exchange of mails:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVP2pZX2yGo#t=4m56s
Thanks to Bomberguy !
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 21. Jul 2011, 17:34

Hello friends,
some photos of LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin" Polar flight 1931 in Tikhaya bay on Hooker Island (Franz Josef Land) 27.07.1931.
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Icebreaker's boat with sacks of mail sails to LZ-127 for exchange of mails.
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon pasol » 26. Jul 2011, 04:37

Dear friends,
thus, we can distinguish the following types of mails during the LZ-127 “Graf Zeppelin” Polar flight 1931 24-31.07.1931:

1. Postage, participated in the first half of the flight (till to a meeting with icebreaker "Malygin":
A) Stage: Friedrichshafen to Berlin, including board mails with the date 24.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded the LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931 and unloaded in Berlin 24.07.1931, including further follow other routes (there are arrival stamps of Berlin, 24.07.1931 and 25.07.1931)
B) Stage: Berlin-Leningrad, including board mails with the date 25.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on the LZ-127 in Berlin, 25.07.1931 and 25.07.1931 were unloaded in Leningrad, including further follow other routes.
C) Stage: Friedrichshafen- Leningrad, including board mails with the date 24.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931 and were unloaded in Leningrad 25.07.1931 , including further follow other routes (there are two size of Friedrichshafen date stamps- 1.C.1 the usual (smaller) -a word “Bodensee” with small letters – and 1.C.2 large- a word “Bodensee” with large letters)..

2. Mail, participating in the process of exchange of mails with the icebreaker "Malygin" 27.07.1931 and LZ-127
2.1. The part of mails are unloaded from LZ-127 to the icebreaker "Malygin":
A) Stage: Leningrad - the icebreaker "Malygin", including board mails with the date 26.07.1931
B) Stage: Berlin-icebreaker "Malygin", including board mails with the date 25.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on the LZ-127 in Berlin 25.07.1931
C) Stage: Friedrichshafen - icebreaker "Malygin", including board mails with the date 24.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded the LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931 (there are two kinds of stamps, Friedrichshafen - normal (smaller size and large)
D) postage issued on board the LZ-127 in day of exchange of mails with the date 27.07.1931
All of these mails are stamped "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931 ", thus, its presence on mail confirms its participation in the exchange of mail. More mails have not arrival stamps, because they were sent to beneficiaries in special covers.

2.2. The part of mails are unloaded from the icebreaker "Malygin" to LZ-127:
E) Stage: Archangelsk – Friedrichshafen (with Russian stamps);
F) Mails were Issued on board the icebreaker "Malygin" during the trip to Franz-Josef-Land and sent to Friedrichshafen (probably: without a standard giding stamp).
All of these mailings are stamped "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 18.07.1931 ", thus, its presence on mails and a arrival stamp Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931 confirms its participation in the exchange of mail between the LZ-127 and the icebreaker Malygin 27.07.1931.

3. Mail, participating in the second half of the flight (after a meeting with the "Malygin":
A) Board mails, that was droped over Leningrad, with the dates 28.07.1931 (?) and 29.07.1931 and delivered later in Berlin 31.07.1931 by Russian airmail.
B) Board mails of the second half of the flight with the dates of 29.07.1931 and 30.07.1931 were delivered in Berlin by LZ-127 with the date 30.07.1931 and in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931.
C) Stage: Berlin (2nd landing)- Friedrichshafen second half of the flight, including board mails with dates 30.07.1931 and 31.07.1931, delivered by LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931

4. Mail, participating in more than half of the flight, but did not participate in the exchange of mails with "Malygin" without stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. 27.07.1931 Arctic ":
A) Stage: Friedrichshafen-Berlin (2nd landing), regular mail has not been found before, known board mails with the date 24.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931
B) Stage: Berlin (1st landing) - Berlin (2nd landing), including board mails with the date 25.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on LZ-127 in Berlin 25.07.1931
C) Board mails with the date 26.07.1931 and 27.07.1931, not related to the previous types, but arrived in Berlin 30.07.1931 or in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931;
D) Stage: Berlin (1st landing) - Friedrichshafen (so far not found), is known only board mails with the date 25.07.1931;
E) Stage: Friedrichshafen - Friedrichshafen (2nd landing) (complete flight), including board mails with the date 24.07.1931 and mails sent earlier from other countries, but loaded on LZ-127 in Friedrichshafen 24.07.1931
F) Stage: Leningrad 25.07.1931 - Berlin (2nd landing) with Russian stamps and the date of arrival in Berlin, 30.07.1931.
J) Stage: Leningrad 25.07.1931 - Friedrichshafen with Russian stamps and the date of arrival in Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931.

5.The incorrect executed mail: without official arrival stamp of Leningrad and without the icebreaker Malygin's stamp "Icebreaker Malygin. Arctic 27.07.1931" too (probably: too late for further sending, the lost mail and etc.) (See TALLTREES post above).
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Re: Organization of mail process during the Polarfahrt 1931

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 26. Jul 2011, 08:56

Hello pasol. I have just read your last thread and found it very interesting with a wealth of information. One question i would like to ask about the Postcard with the "FULL SET" of special "POLAR FLIGHT" issued Stamps addressed to the collector John S Davis "LIVERPOOL", England, why does it "ANGLESEY" (NORTH WALES) arrival postmark when the Postcard is clearly addressed to "LIVERPOL" England. I have seen in the past Letters addressed to John S Davis in Liverpool with a Liverpool arrival Stamp, and also addressed to him in Anglesey with a Angelsey arrival Stamp. Does this Postcard have a Liverpool arrival Stamp on the back of it ?. I also enclose a picture of a Onboard Postcard sent on the same day as the exchange of mail with the Malygin (27. 7. 1931) addressed to a Herrn Karl Heck, Friedrichshafen, Bodensee, with no arrival Stamp.
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