Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 28. Nov 2009, 01:18

Hello again. I enclose a picture of a Postcard that i would like some facts confirming. It was flown on the 1931 "POLARFAHRT" it has a 2 RM Zeppelin overprinted POLAR-FAHRT 1931 postage stamp with Friedrichshafen Cancelation ( 24 - 7- 31 - 8 ) with (BODENSEE) (in Capital letters), and underneath there is a "VON MEISTER NUMBER" ? with number " 54330 ", it has the " BRISE-GLACE,,MALYGUIN" - ARCTIQUE - 27 V11 31 " Receiving Postmark. In the top left corner there is "Via Graf Zeppelin Artic Flight" in Green and from " Friedrichshafen to Friedrichshafen - Roundtrip " underneath, and there are "NO" markings on the back of the Postcard at all it is blank. The questions i would like to know are was this Postcard sent to Friedrichshafen from NEW YORK by Mr Von Meister ? , then it was flown to Berlin and kept onboard then it set off on its journey to meet the Ice Breaker Ship the " MALYGUIN" where it was dropped on board the Ship from Graf Zeppelin and there it received the " 27 V11 31 " cancelation then it was later returned to the Graf Zeppelin and it headed off back to Friedrichshafen. Then was this Postcard sent back to NEW YORK by Normal Air Mail to Mr Von Meisters Offices then sent on to Mr. A.P. Gleason Corn Prod. Refg. Co NEW YORK :?: , and last of all could you confirm the Sieger Catalouge Number ( 119 La ).
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 20. Mär 2010, 10:37

Yes, the cover was handled by Von Meister, he collected the Polar Flight mail dispatched from US collectors. Von Meister sent the mail then to Friedrichshafen so that the Friedrichshafen post office could further handle the zeppelin mail: They postmarked the mail and then it was flown on the 1931 Polar Flight.

Your cover was flown from Friedrichshafen via Berlin and Leningrad to the ice breaker Malyguin, there the mail was transferred from the zeppelin to the ice breaker. The mail received an arrival postmark at the ice breaker and the Malyguin transported the mail then to the next port of call, where the mail was offloaded and sent to the addressees.

When Von Meister published the first information about the Polar Flight, he published incorrect information about zeppelin mail to be flown on the round trip Friedrichshafen - Malyguin - Friedrichshafen (or Berlin -Malyguin - Berlin). Although the zeppelin flew this round trip, but the official mail transportation was only scheduled to happen on the outward trip as far as Berlin, Leningrad or maximum to the ice breaker. Von Meister issed a second announcement later where he posted then the correct information.

But by that time some collectors had sent in their zepelin mail already and this was inscribed with the round trip instruction Friedrichshafen - Malyguin - Friedrichshafen (or Berlin - Malyguin - Berlin). Although with the instruction to be flown on the round trip, but most of the mail was routed then on alternative routes as far as Leningrad or Malyguin only. Somehow, a few pieces slipped through and were flown on the round trip.

Attached is a Danzig cover which flew the round trip.
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon pasol » 20. Mär 2010, 15:50

Hello Zeppelin,
I think that this Danzig's card was delivered by Zeppelin LZ-127 only to Leningrad 25.07.31 (stamp of arrival). At "Malyguin" / Franz JosephLand was not because it has not a special stamp of the icebreaker "Malyguin" , and then returned to regular airmail in Berlin 30.07.31. Airmail was German, because Russian had a special stamp. About TALLTREES's card I think it is not real round Polarfahrt 1931 with LZ-127 Si.#119.La, bacause it has not arrival stamp on back side ( Berlin arrival stamp 30.07.1931 (see stamp on Danzig card) or Friedrichshafen 31.07.1931).
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Card of Polarfahrt 1931 board post 24.07.1931 to Leningrad 25.07.1931 and return with regular airmail to Switzerland 29.07.1931.
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Card of Polarfahrt 1931 board post 29.07.1931 (return flight) drop mail over Leningrad 30.07.1931 and return with Russian airmail to Berlin/Germany 31.07.1931.
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 21. Mär 2010, 01:24

Hello Zeppelin. So did the Postcard that i listed "NOT" return back to Friedrichshafen from where the Malyguin dropped it off although it has on the front of the Postcard "FRIEDRICHSHAFEN TO FRIEDRICHSHAFEN - ROUNDTRIP" :?: , did it go back to Von Meisters offices in New York from where it was dropped of by the Malyguin in the Russian Artic Region by other forms of transport (HENCE NO BACKSTAMP) :?: so if you could confirm this would this make the Postcard Sieger 119.F, "NOT" 119.La.
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon Zeppelin » 21. Mär 2010, 12:33

@ pasol:
The Danzig cover was flown by zeppelin from Berlin to Leningrad, there the cover was offloaded and received an arrival postmark. Then the post officers must have realized that it was "missent" to Leningrad because of the routing instruction which says BERLIN - LENINGRAD - BERLIN. So what did they do: They returned the cover to the zeppelin. This was doable because the zeppelin stayed over night at Leningrad. Then the cover was flown by zeppelin from Leningrad via Malyguin and Leningrad back to Berlin, there the cover was offloaded on July 30 and was sent by surface to the addressee.

Zeppelin mail which was offloaded at Leningrad first landing (July 25, 1931) and which was sent by airmail to Berlin, received a Berlin arrival marking 27.7.31 20-21, see attachment.

To summarize the Berlin arrival postmarks on the 1931 Polar Flight:
25.7.31 - by zeppelin to Berlin, flight 202
27.7.31 - by zeppelin to Leningrad (flight 203 with Leningrad arrival) and then by airmail back to Berlin
30.7.31 - by zeppelin to Berlin, flight 205
26./27./28.8.31 - by zeppelin to the Malyguin (flight 204, with Malyguin arrival), by surface/airmail via Russsia to Berlin
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Beitragvon Zeppelin » 21. Mär 2010, 12:40

@TALLTREES
TALLTREES hat geschrieben:So did the Postcard that i listed "NOT" return back to Friedrichshafen from where the Malyguin dropped it off although it has on the front of the Postcard "FRIEDRICHSHAFEN TO FRIEDRICHSHAFEN - ROUNDTRIP" :?: ,
Correct, by zeppelin only from Friedrichshafen to the Malyguin!
TALLTREES hat geschrieben:did it go back to Von Meisters offices in New York from where it was dropped of by the Malyguin in the Russian Artic Region by other forms of transport (HENCE NO BACKSTAMP) :?:
The zeppelin mail was sent by surface from the Malyguin/first port of call to the final destination, therefore no transit/arrival postmarks. In addition zeppelin mail was sorted and bundled according to final destination cities and countries and these bundles were not opened untill arrival at destination city/country.
TALLTREES hat geschrieben:so if you could confirm this would this make the Postcard Sieger 119.F, "NOT" 119.La.
Correct, Sieger number is 119.F
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon pasol » 4. Mai 2011, 05:36

Zeppelin wrote:
To summarize the Berlin arrival postmarks on the 1931 Polar Flight:
25.7.31 - by zeppelin to Berlin, flight 202
27.7.31 - by zeppelin to Leningrad (flight 203 with Leningrad arrival) and then by airmail back to Berlin
30.7.31 - by zeppelin to Berlin, flight 205
26./27./28.8.31 - by zeppelin to the Malyguin (flight 204, with Malyguin arrival), by surface/airmail via Russsia to Berlin

Dear friends,
I would like to add information from Zeppelin:
31.07.31 by zeppelin drop over Leningrad 29.07.31 (flight 205 I. with big Russian airmail mark) and then by airmail 31.07.31 back to Berlin (see my post above)
01.08.31 by zeppelin from Leningrad 25.07.31 across FJL to Friedrichshafen 31.07.31 and continue to Berlin by airmail , flight 205 A.

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Beitragvon pasol » 10. Nov 2012, 08:02

Dear friends,
I would like to add the previous information. I should say, there are the main types of DR round trip cards and letters of Polarfahrt 1931 with Zeppelin stamps :
1. Round flight (full) Friedrichshafen (24/07/1931)-Friedrichshafen (31/07/1931), incl. board mail canceled 24/07/1931;
2. Round flight Friedrichshafen (24/07/1931)-Berlin, second landing (30/07/1931), incl. board mail canceled 24/07/1931;
3. Round flight Berlin, first landing (25/07/1931)-Berlin, second landing (30/07/1931), incl. board mail canceled 25/07/1931;
4. Round flight Berlin, first landing (25/07/1931)-Friedrichshafen (31/07/1931), incl. board mail canceled 25/07/1931.
I show now all types of this mail.
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Beitragvon pasol » 10. Nov 2012, 08:06

continuation...
the number 2 is not mine :cry: .
Catalogs numbers of this mail:
1. Mi.#206c & Si.#119.Lb;
2. Mi.#205c & Si.#119.Kc;
3. Mi.#205c & Si.#119.Kc;
4. Mi.#206 (not specified yet) & Si.#119.Lb;
Most pieces of this mail prepared and addressed to the New York/U.S.A.to Mr.F.W.Kummer.
Thus, there are the basic features of similar mail made a round flight:
a. primary cancellations with dates 24/07/1931 or 25/07/1931;
b. unavailability of special Russian arrival stamps 25/07/1931 "Leningrad" (for DR mail) or 27/07/1931 "Malyguin"
c. arrival stamps cancellations with dates 30/07/1931 in Berlin or 31/07/1931 in Friedrichshafen;
Similar post is the most rare and expensive among all the zeppelin famous circular full-trip mails, except for some multi-stage envelopes 8-) !
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Re: Polarfahrt 1931 (ROUNDTRIP)

Beitragvon Steffen » 10. Nov 2012, 17:07

Hello pasol!
Two pieces of the tour to back to Friedrichshafen from my collection.
I hope for it like you.
Yours sincerely!
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