Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 27. Dez 2012, 07:35

Hello friends,
@TALLTREES wrote:"...but i have come acrros this Cover (not mine) with a Budapest cancel date of "23.MAR.31" on the Special issues :? . At first i thought it was a misprint of the "8" to make a "3" but i cancelled this out becauce of the "SZENTES" arrival mark of the "25.MAR.31", so it definitely is not an "8". I can only assume that this Cover was first posted "Budapest (23.MAR.31) to "Szentes" arrival (25.MAR.31), then put on the Roundflight, with the final "Debrecen" arrival cancel of "29.MAR.31", what are your views :?:

Now I have this item for researching. First of all, I think this item is genuine and all stamps and cachets too. in the future, I will proceed from this conclusion. I show main details of this item in suitable resolution 8-) .
What is your opinion about Budapest cancel date of "23.MAR.31" :?:
P.S. Second cancel stamp is undetectable. :(
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 27. Dez 2012, 08:01

...for comparison, I show the date cancel stamps of Budapest in March 28th, 1931: 8-)
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 31. Mär 2013, 23:05

Dear friends,
I found finally almost the same variety and among hungarian Zeppelin 1931 perforated stamps. An orange 1 Pengo stamp (Mi.#478, Scott #C24) has a different form of "1" ( there is bottom right in 4x block ) :D ... please see my earlier mail above...the better scan will be later 8-) .
I think that the printing plate has been gradually deformed during the printing process of these stamps and finally a variety took the form of "1" with trunk and feet" , as I have shown previously on imperforated stamp.
What position has it on stamps sheet :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 1. Apr 2013, 11:09

...continuation...
...one more "possible" variety of these stamps with a broken "1" and short "9" in the date "1931" of surcharge (see the left stamp). :D ...the better scan will be later .
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 19. Apr 2013, 14:00

Hello. Here is another interesting Postcard that i have from this flight (Return flight) . Sent by crew member "Eugen Scháuble", cancelled with part set of Hungarian 1927 "AIR Mail" issues (Not 1931 Zeppelin Special issues), cancelled "BUDAPEST 72". 24.MAR.31", sent on the return flight (29.03.31), with the Green special confirmation mark of the return flight, and finally with Friedrichshafen arrival cancel (30.3.31). Could any member please explain to me how crew member Scháuble sent this Postcard to get a Budapest cancel (24.MAR.31) as at that time he would be in Friedrichshafen or elsewhere ?, this time there is no problem with the franking as these Hungary Air issues were introduced in 1927, the handwriting looks to me to be written by crew member Scháuble, so again how did this Postcard receive the cancel " BUDAPEST 72 " 24. MAR.31 :?.
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 20. Apr 2013, 04:12

Dear TALLTREES,

I try to explain. 8-)
This card was written by crew member - Eugen Schäuble and sent to Budapest beforehand (before 24.03.1931 and not with LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin") with instructions about sending . About Eugen Schäuble :
http://facesofthehindenburg.blogspot.ru/2008/10/eugen-schuble.html

These instructions were not written on the card and were applied separately to the relevant group of such correspondence. In accordance with the instructions the card was franked of stamps and canceled 24.03.1931 by hungarian postal clerk in Budapest without Mr.Eugen Schäuble. And it had expected of arrival of LZ-127 until 29.03.1931. Then it was sent back to Friedrichshafen with LZ-127 "Graf Zeppelin" again without the personal participation of the author.
It is common practice. ;)

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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon TALLTREES » 7. Aug 2014, 10:13

Hello. Has any member noticed the vast price difference in the catalouge values of Hungarian mail with normal franking from the 1931 " LANDING FLIGHT TO HUNGARY" :o . In the Sieger catalouge (103.d) Euro-100.00, and in the Michel catalouge (163 A) (d)- Euro 380.00, why this vast price difference :? . In my opinion i have seen more Hungarian mail from this flight with the special Zeppelin issues than with the normal franking, could it be that the Sieger value (Euro 100.00) goes on the assumption that mail with the normal franking being less valuble than the Zeppelin special issues (which they are), although more mail from this flight was sent with the Zeppelin special issues than normal franking, and could it be that Michels catalouge value (Euro 380.00) goes on the assumption that less mail was sent on this flight using normal franking issues so the higher catalouge value :?:
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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 6. Mai 2016, 08:20

Dear friends,

earlier I have shown a variety of special stamp of this flight 1P. (Mi.#478) with a broken "1" and short "9" in the date "1931" of overprint. Now I can confirm that it is really a variety... :D I have another items with this variety: another single stamp and cancelled stamp on stamps dealer John Davis's cover (Si.#103.c) of this flight.
Unfortunately, but now I don't know the place of this variety in full stamps sheet. :roll:

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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 5. Sep 2016, 06:31

Hallo zusammen,

einige Anzahl der Belege des Rückfahrt nach Friedrichshafen Si.#103.d) sind mit üblichen Ungarische Frankatur, als hat @TALLTREES früher gezeigt.

Hier ist ein Beispiel andere seltenen Frankierung des Rundfahrt über Ungarn 1931 Abwurf Debrecen mit üblichen Briefmarken Si.#102.Bd).
Vielleicht wird jemand ähnlich zeigen?

TALLTREES schrieb:"...Has any member noticed the vast price difference in the catalouge values of Hungarian mail with normal franking from the 1931 " LANDING FLIGHT TO HUNGARY" :o . In the Sieger catalouge (103.d) Euro-100.00, and in the Michel catalouge (163 A) (d)- Euro 380.00, why this vast price difference :? . In my opinion i have seen more Hungarian mail from this flight with the special Zeppelin issues than with the normal franking, could it be that the Sieger value (Euro 100.00) goes on the assumption that mail with the normal franking being less valuble than the Zeppelin special issues (which they are), although more mail from this flight was sent with the Zeppelin special issues than normal franking, and could it be that Michels catalouge value (Euro 380.00) goes on the assumption that less mail was sent on this flight using normal franking issues so the higher catalouge value :?:


Ich glaube, Sieger schreibt inkorrekt: solcherart Belege haben niedrigen Sammlerwert... :lol: Ich hatte vor nur ein paar von ähnliche gesehen :!:
Sie sind teurer als mit besonderen Zeppelin Briefmarken, denn sie sind mehr selten. 8-) Für Beweis, bitte schauen die Kataloge der irgendwelchen Zeppelinpost Auktion oder eBay, Sie werden nicht der große Anzahl der ähnlich finden..

Im Allgemeinen, nach meiner Meinung, die fairen Preis der üblichen Belege der Zeppelin Landungsfahrt nach Ungarn 1931 ist für Belege der ungarische Post:

- mit 1 Zeppelin Briefmarke, inkl. 2x1P. 25-50 EUR (Anzahl ist Zehntausende)
- mit beider Zeppelin Briefmarken 1P. und 2P. 60-120 EUR (Anzahl ist Tausende)
- ohne Zeppelin Briefmarken ab 120 EUR und höher (Anzahl ist paar Hunderte)
z.B.: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zeppelin-Sieger ... 1602592010

Wo ist 30-50% vom Sieger Wert 100 EUR? :lol: Warum Fa.Sieger anbietet nicht die ähnliche Belege unter "seiner" Preis ? So dass der Michel Katalog ist mehr faire, der schätzt die Belege der ungarische Post ohne Zeppelin Briefmarken in 1,5-2 mal höher als mit ihnen, z.B. Mi.#162Ad.) und 162A Id.) haben Wert 380.00 EUR.

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Re: Landing Flight 1931 to Hungary

Beitragvon pasol » 11. Apr 2017, 06:39

Dear friends,

Next exemplar of variety of special stamp of this flight 1P. (Mi.#478) with a broken "1" and short "9" in the date "1931" of overprint (the left stamp) on flown postcard of this flight (Return flight, Si.#103.a) from 27.03.1931 with autographs of crew members: Hans von Schiller and Albert Sammt.

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